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Burgess ~ Third Generation

    Issue of James Burges and Janet Pollock  
1.   Margaret BURGESS
Bap of Margaret Burgess 27 Aug 1740 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, dau of James Burgess & Jennet Pollock (ref Scotlands People). A
Also, bap of Margaret Burges 31 Aug 1740 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), dau of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).

Probable marriage c1760 to James GILLESPIE (record not found in Scotlands People or Ancestry).
The place name on the baptism image for son Robert in 1761 is Carnock, presumably at St Ninians; no witnesses or grandparents are listed.
"Carnock House is in the parish of St Ninians and the county of Stirlingshire, Grid reference: NS 86600 88245, Lat / long: 56.073629, -3.823274" (ref internet).
 
    Children:  
  1. Robert GILLESPIE bap 1761 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  2. Janet GILLESPIE bap 1762 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  3. James GILLESPIE bap 1767 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  4. William GILLESPIE bap 1769 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  5. Alexander GILLESPIE bap 1772 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  6. John GILLESPIE bap 1772 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  7. Elizabeth GILLESPIE bap 1774 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  8. Margaret GILLESPIE bap 1777 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  9. Charles GILLESPIE (1) bap 1779 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  10. Charles GILLESPIE (2) bap 1780 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  11. Thomas GILLESPIE (1) bap 1782 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  12. Thomas GILLESPIE (2) bap 1783 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
 
2.   Janet BURGESS
Bap of Jennet Burgess 26 Apr 1742 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, dau of James Burgess & Jennet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of Janet Burges 26 Apr 1742, bap 2 May 1742 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), dau of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry).
No further information found.
3.   Jean BURGESS
Bap of Jane [sic] Burgess 6 Mar 1744 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, dau of James Burgess & Jennet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of Jean Burges 6 Mar 1744, bap 11 Mar 1744 Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), dau of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry).
This date may be old style.

Probable marriage c1770 to William BLACKADDER; the date is not found but this is inferred from the children born (record not found in Scotlands People or Ancestry).
The placename on the baptism image for son John in 1771 is Plean at St Ninians; no witnesses or grandparents are listed.
Many conversations are listed on the internet (eg RootsChat) about descendants of this family.
 
    Children:  
  1. John BLACKADER bap 1771 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  2. James BLACKADDER bap 1778 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  3. Jean BLACKADER bap 1782 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  4. Willliam BLACKADDER bap 1785 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
 
4.   James BURGESS (1)
Bap of James Burgess 2 Jul 1746 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, son of James Burgess & Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of James Burges 2 Jul 1746, bap 9 Jul 1746 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), son of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).
He presumably died before 1750.
 
5.   Mary BURGESS
Bap of Mary Burgess 29 Apr 1748 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, dau of James Burgess & Jennet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of Mary Burges 29 Apr 1748, bap 4 May 1748 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), dau of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).
No further information found.
 
6.   James BURGESS (2)
Bap of James Burgess 19 Apr 1750 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, son of James Burgess & Jennet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of James Burges 19 Apr 1750, bap 29 Apr 1750 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), son of James Burges & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).

Most likely, his marriage is 30 Oct 1773 at Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland to Jean THOMSON (ref Ancestry Scotland Select Marriages): the detail is "James Burges in St Ninnians parish and Jean Thomason in this parish" (ref Scotlands People image).
 
    Children:  
  1. James BURGES bap 1775 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland  
  2. Jean BURGESS bap 1776 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
 
7.   Charles BURGESS
Bap of Charles Burgess 11 May 1752 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, son of James Burgess & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People; the date may be inaccurate).
Birth of Charles Burges 5 May 1752, bap 10 May 1752 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), son of James Burges & Jannet Pollock (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).
No further information found.
 
8.   male BURGES
Birth of unknown Burges 4 Apr 1754, bap 14 Apr 1754 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), son of James Burges & Janet Polllick (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms).
 
9.   George BURGESS
This tree is based on the known ancestor of the Grierson family being the same one who was the son of James Burges & Janet Pollick.
The evidence found seems to fit this hypothesis.
George was known to be a Weaver in Perth at the time of his marriage to Jean MacGrigor.

Based on the burial in 1805 at Greyfriars Cemetery, Canal Street Perth PH2 8NN, George was born c1756 and married at 20. These burial records are available online and the 1805 death is the most likely.

Based on an analysis of all recorded men of this name at this time in Scotland, the most likely origin of George was as a son of James BURGESS and Janet POLLICK. Other options in Rathven, Kennoway, Falkirk and Kelso have been reviewed and considered unlikely.

Birth of George Burges 10 Apr 1756, bap 18 Apr 1756 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling (Non-Conformist) (ref Scotlands People & Ancestry). In Scotlands People this is also registered as St Ninians parish, the parents are James Burges and Janet Pollick, and the witnesses are the grandparents, James Burges Senior and Charles Pollick. St Ninians is 41 miles from Perth. George's father's name is not given in subsequent documentation.

Marr 8 July 1776 in Perth, Perth, Scotland to Jean MacGRIGOR, born Scotland, daughter of John MacGRIGOR. (Ref IGI for marriage index, and parish records.) The parish record states 'Jean MacGrigor daughter of John MacGrigor weaver in the Parish of Auchtergaven'.

There are several versions of spelling in different documents.

In the Old Parish Register 387 Perth Vol. 22, 1776 Perth:
"George Burges Weaver in Perth and Jean MacGrigor daughter of John MacGrigor Weaver in the Parish of Auchtergaven both in the Parish of Perth. Elder John Clark. The above persons were regularly proclaimed and married July the eighth day by Mr. Moodie minister at Perth. June the twenty ninth day one thousand seven hundred and seventy six years contracted.”

Another version, transcribed by JDG from the Perth parish records at LDS:
"Perth June twentyninth day 1776 contracted.George Burges weaver in Perth and Jean McGrigor daughter to John McGrigor weaver in the Parish of Auchtergaven, both in this Parish. Elder John Clark. The above persons were regularly proclaimed and married July the eight day Mr Moodie Minister at Perth."

There are large discrepancies in the spelling of Jean's surname. The marriage index has McGRIGOR but the full record has MacGRIGOR. And the births of the children have GRIGOR, MACGRIGOR, GREGOR, McGRIGOR and MacGREGOR.

Based on the burial at Greyfriars, she was born c1754 and married at 22.

There were several men in Perth at the time identified at George Burges or Burgess and often with the occupation of Weaver.

Date of death of George BURGES, Weaver, 1 Jan 1805, burial 3 Jan 1805 at Greyfriars Cemetery, Perth, Scotland, age 49, cause of death "decline" (born c1756, ref Perth & Kinross Council,
www.pkc.gov.uk).

Date of death of Jean BURGES, 15 Dec 1808, burial 17 Dec 1808 at Greyfriars Cemetery, Perth, Scotland, age 54, cause of death "decline", relative George Burges, Deceased Spouse (born c1754, ref Perth & Kinross Council,
www.pkc.gov.uk)

FROM WHOM LIBBY SHADE NEE GRIERSON IS DESCENDED.












IGI record

Parish records
    Children:  
  1. Thomas BURGES born 1777 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  2. Robert BURGES born 1778 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  3. Isobel BURGES (1) born 1780 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  4. Peter BURGES born 1784 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  5. John BURGESS born 1786 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  6. George BURGESS born 1788 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  7. Mary BURGESS born 1789 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  8. Jean BURGES born 1792 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  9. James BURGESS born 1794 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland  
  10. Isobell BURGES (2) born 1796 at Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
 
10.   Elizabeth BURGESS
Bap of Elisabeth [sic] Burgess 20 Aug 1758 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, dau of James Burgess & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
Birth of Elizabeth Burges 19 Sep 1758, bap 27 Sep 1758 at Saint John Street Associate Session, Stirling, Stirling (Non-Conformist), dau of James Burges & Janet Pollick (ref Scotlands People). In the Ancestry Scotland Select Births & Baptisms, the dates are given as: birth 18 Aug 1758, bap 27 Aug 1758.
So there are multiple discrepancies. No further information found.
 
11.   William BURGESS
Bap of William Burgess 5 Sep 1762 at St Ninians, Stirling, Scotland, son of James Burgess & Janet Pollock (ref Scotlands People).
No information found in Ancestry.
 

Modified 18 Aug 2018